Apple was the first to make podcasts really popular, but now YouTube and Spotify are way more popular.
Apple didn't make it easy to listen to podcasts on other phones or computers, so people went to other places.
Now, more people listen to podcasts on YouTube than on Apple, and even Spotify has more listeners!
Some people think that Apple's boss needs to be more creative and think about the future, because they're not keeping up with other companies.
